I know yesterday I was bitching about having nothing to read, but it's my livejournal, so I get to contradict myself if I want. Kind of like "it's my story, so I get to be incoherent if I want", only with more focus on quality.
Ahem.
mmebahorel expressed the opinion that Mizfandom is in a rut, and maybe she's right. Certainly, from my perspective, there's a dearth of new and exciting stuff.
Not that nobody has written decent fic in the past six months, mind you, but that there's a general drought. And when I say "decent fic", I don't just mean well written. There's a generous handful of pretty vignettes on ff.net and elsewhere, to the tune of "He's So Pretty When He's Sleeping (It's A Shame He Hates Me So)". (If that sounds like a bad country & western song, there's probably a reason.)
Most of these vignettes are well written. But that's not enough. The notion that our fearless blond boy is routinely sleeping with the enemy is turning into nearly as pervasive a cliche as... as the notion that Eponine's a knockout with perfect teeth and luscious curves who just needs maybe a facewash. Neither of these assumptions are supported by canon (unless you count the well-fed actresses playing the gamine). And none of these vignettes give even a nod to the why and wherefore. It's Enjolras and Grantaire. In bed. That's all we need to know, right?
Wrong.
Sometimes you get a variation. The enduring saga of Joly and his Eagle, who share everything, and we do mean everything. The marble lover of liberty inexplicably crushing on Monsieur Grey-Shade-of-Quiet-Mouse-Colour, or being completed and corrected in the arms of his faithful philosopher-sidekick. Or swooning poets. I'm surprised there aren't more swooning poets.
But it's all sort of stale. I mean, I like Ami slash as well as the next girl. It's just that I like plot, too. I like stories. And whereas in other fandoms "Plot? What Plot?" implies sex in place of plot-- which can be fun, or at least mildly interesting-- in this neck of the woods, it's likely to mean just what it says. Yawn.
Good slashfic doesn't just show me Boy One and Boy Two making out (or more likely, chastely cuddling). It shows me why they're doing it, and preferably how they started. It shows me why Boy Two, instead of Girl or Boy Three. It has some kind of point beyond the author saying "look! I made 'em kiss!", even if it's nothing more earth-shattering than that they're good for each other. Or that they're not, but that lust conquers all.
Dammit, if you want to write stuff, know why you're writing it. I get the feeling that a lot of this stuff is written just to follow the trend. Mlle. X writes Grantaire angst after Mme. Y after Suzette Q. after Lonely Gamine in the tradition of Quiara. Mlle. Z writes cutesy fluff after Eponine Umpteen after Rabsjavert with influences from Salatrel. Because the original was fun to read, so why not write a knockoff that's sure to be a hit?
But if I want to read Lonely Gamine or Quiara or Rabbit or Salatrel, I'll read them. If I'm going to read you, it's because I want to know what you have to say. You write your own stuff in your own way. Figure out what makes your boys just that much different from anybody else's, and show me-- or why should I care?
And for Christ's sake get a new theme. How many Rs are as dumb as Sébastien and think adoring thoughts every night about guys who insult them before breakfast? For that matter, how many flawed statues go for illicit sex to the single most obnoxious human being they know?
In fact, here. I'll throw out a bunch of ideas. Newborn plot bunnies, free to a good home. Tell your friends, 'kay?
Scenario 1 - Adolescent Enjolras and adolescent Grantaire fall madly in love. Someone catches them making out in the 19th-century equivalent of the little boys', and chastisement ensues. E is so traumatized that he refuses to have anything to do with R thereafter, though R, incorrigible, trails around after him for years.
Scenario 2 - R falls madly in love with what looks through a window like a beautiful blonde girl (hey, it says he's effeminate-looking right there in the text. Make good use of it), only to find out the discomfiting truth. Much angst (and possibly kissing) follows as he tries and fails to cure his crush. It's "The Blood of Angry Women", only backwards!
Scenario 3 - (Slightly used, but still in good condition) Politically astute but otherwise naive E finds himself inexplicably lusting after R, not that he knows enough to call it that. Bemused R either a) humors him with mixed feelings, or b) nervously repulses him, adding fuel to E's contempt, or c) you think of something.
Scenario 4 - Months of unacknowledged sexual tension culminate in a furtive screw in the Rue de Mondetour. Hell, why not?
Scenario 5 - Evil!R, having sat in on a couple of years' worth of seditious meetings, blackmails E into sleeping with him. Angst and/or unexpected affection ensue. (And if you think there's no such thing as an Evil!R, ask
la_reine_bleu. Or
quiara. If, on the contrary, you really like the idea of Evil!R, maybe he can blackmail Jehan into the bargain.)
Scenario 6 - If you really just want moonlit angst, have Enjolras lie awake thinking soul-searching thoughts for a change.
If none of these float your boat, then at least they should give you an idea of the possibilities inherent in E/R slash beyond the Abusive Relationship and the Plotless Melancholia. There are another whole set of possibilities when you get into other Amis. Take my failed idea and have Joly pining for a Bossuet who loves him dearly -- as a friend. Or have Courfeyrac decide that his protege is awfully damn cute, and set out to woo him away from that wench in Rue Plumet. Or set the romantic poet's affections on his beautiful and unattainable Fearless Leader.
See? Plot is really the easy part.
Discussion?
Ahem.
Not that nobody has written decent fic in the past six months, mind you, but that there's a general drought. And when I say "decent fic", I don't just mean well written. There's a generous handful of pretty vignettes on ff.net and elsewhere, to the tune of "He's So Pretty When He's Sleeping (It's A Shame He Hates Me So)". (If that sounds like a bad country & western song, there's probably a reason.)
Most of these vignettes are well written. But that's not enough. The notion that our fearless blond boy is routinely sleeping with the enemy is turning into nearly as pervasive a cliche as... as the notion that Eponine's a knockout with perfect teeth and luscious curves who just needs maybe a facewash. Neither of these assumptions are supported by canon (unless you count the well-fed actresses playing the gamine). And none of these vignettes give even a nod to the why and wherefore. It's Enjolras and Grantaire. In bed. That's all we need to know, right?
Wrong.
Sometimes you get a variation. The enduring saga of Joly and his Eagle, who share everything, and we do mean everything. The marble lover of liberty inexplicably crushing on Monsieur Grey-Shade-of-Quiet-Mouse-Colour, or being completed and corrected in the arms of his faithful philosopher-sidekick. Or swooning poets. I'm surprised there aren't more swooning poets.
But it's all sort of stale. I mean, I like Ami slash as well as the next girl. It's just that I like plot, too. I like stories. And whereas in other fandoms "Plot? What Plot?" implies sex in place of plot-- which can be fun, or at least mildly interesting-- in this neck of the woods, it's likely to mean just what it says. Yawn.
Good slashfic doesn't just show me Boy One and Boy Two making out (or more likely, chastely cuddling). It shows me why they're doing it, and preferably how they started. It shows me why Boy Two, instead of Girl or Boy Three. It has some kind of point beyond the author saying "look! I made 'em kiss!", even if it's nothing more earth-shattering than that they're good for each other. Or that they're not, but that lust conquers all.
Dammit, if you want to write stuff, know why you're writing it. I get the feeling that a lot of this stuff is written just to follow the trend. Mlle. X writes Grantaire angst after Mme. Y after Suzette Q. after Lonely Gamine in the tradition of Quiara. Mlle. Z writes cutesy fluff after Eponine Umpteen after Rabsjavert with influences from Salatrel. Because the original was fun to read, so why not write a knockoff that's sure to be a hit?
But if I want to read Lonely Gamine or Quiara or Rabbit or Salatrel, I'll read them. If I'm going to read you, it's because I want to know what you have to say. You write your own stuff in your own way. Figure out what makes your boys just that much different from anybody else's, and show me-- or why should I care?
And for Christ's sake get a new theme. How many Rs are as dumb as Sébastien and think adoring thoughts every night about guys who insult them before breakfast? For that matter, how many flawed statues go for illicit sex to the single most obnoxious human being they know?
In fact, here. I'll throw out a bunch of ideas. Newborn plot bunnies, free to a good home. Tell your friends, 'kay?
Scenario 1 - Adolescent Enjolras and adolescent Grantaire fall madly in love. Someone catches them making out in the 19th-century equivalent of the little boys', and chastisement ensues. E is so traumatized that he refuses to have anything to do with R thereafter, though R, incorrigible, trails around after him for years.
Scenario 2 - R falls madly in love with what looks through a window like a beautiful blonde girl (hey, it says he's effeminate-looking right there in the text. Make good use of it), only to find out the discomfiting truth. Much angst (and possibly kissing) follows as he tries and fails to cure his crush. It's "The Blood of Angry Women", only backwards!
Scenario 3 - (Slightly used, but still in good condition) Politically astute but otherwise naive E finds himself inexplicably lusting after R, not that he knows enough to call it that. Bemused R either a) humors him with mixed feelings, or b) nervously repulses him, adding fuel to E's contempt, or c) you think of something.
Scenario 4 - Months of unacknowledged sexual tension culminate in a furtive screw in the Rue de Mondetour. Hell, why not?
Scenario 5 - Evil!R, having sat in on a couple of years' worth of seditious meetings, blackmails E into sleeping with him. Angst and/or unexpected affection ensue. (And if you think there's no such thing as an Evil!R, ask
Scenario 6 - If you really just want moonlit angst, have Enjolras lie awake thinking soul-searching thoughts for a change.
If none of these float your boat, then at least they should give you an idea of the possibilities inherent in E/R slash beyond the Abusive Relationship and the Plotless Melancholia. There are another whole set of possibilities when you get into other Amis. Take my failed idea and have Joly pining for a Bossuet who loves him dearly -- as a friend. Or have Courfeyrac decide that his protege is awfully damn cute, and set out to woo him away from that wench in Rue Plumet. Or set the romantic poet's affections on his beautiful and unattainable Fearless Leader.
See? Plot is really the easy part.
Discussion?
- Mood:thoughtful

Comments
And also, you inspired me to finish a bunch of the fics sitting on my hard drive, which may or may not be a good thing. :-)
You're completely right, some new stuff would most certianly be nice. Old themes are great, but it's definatly time for "new blood", or whatever you want to call it.
In all honesty, I'd like to see more non-romance related Mizfic, but I think that's too much to ask for :P.
I'm working on it, I'm working on it! *g* I'm determined to get this part of the Feuillyfic done tonight, even if I'm up until 2 in the morning kneading the crap out. And trust me, even though there is a girl, and sex, it is *not* romance fic.
And I'm still working on the relationship between Charles Combeferre and his wife for the Combeferre fic. For those who actually do read Blood of the Martyrs, you know I already knocked out the romance *g*.
Yay Feuillyfic. *grins* But some of us would contend that it is romantic, if not romance per se. I put you the same question as I did Becca -- what are the criteria?
For those who actually do read Blood of the Martyrs, you know I already knocked out the romance
Ah, yes. I forgot how far I read in that one. So you're still working on't?
Now, a romantic story is one that deals with lofty ideals and all that is not cynical in the world :) And that is what Feuilly is -- a romantic not in the sense of love and relationships, but in the sense he believes in the ability of man to better himself and his situation.
And yes, I am still working on Blood of the Martyrs, but I had to take a time out because I need to do research on the June Days (not to mention I need to do a lot of reading on Poland this summer) and I haven't had time for it yet. As soon as my last exam is done, I'm going to be back at the library looking for some good documentation on each of those, plus making photocopies of various articles about ideas of sexuality and family in 19th century France.
Unlike some people, I do research -- it just means that there is a massive time-lag when producing epics because I inevitably run into a wall and don't have the right means to climb it, so I have to go build myself a new ladder, so to speak.
I should have been a history major. Would have been so much easier. Instead of studying Tomahawk missiles right now, I could be reading about the June Days. But my next exam is going to require me to have a familiarity with the technological components of the so-called revolution in military affairs, so I have to read about stealth bombers and apache helicopters and infrasonic barriers that make people defecate all over themselves (I'm dead serious, unfortunately).
But yes, in theory I am still working on everything. Even Les Amis. Though that has been put off until such a time as I am finished with the other two epics I have started because it requires going back to the beginning and rewriting the whole bloody thing because I cringe at the style, if style it can be called. Yeah, it's probably Mary Sue, but at least Enjolras can't stand her and most of the boys are more interested in sleeping with her than working with her. And she can't leap tall buildings in a single bound *g*. God, I can't believe anyone can stand it in its current state.
Awww. I kind of like her. But then I'm a sap ;)
I would say romance has a relationship that verges on sexual as the main point of the story.... Now, a romantic story is one that deals with lofty ideals and all that is not cynical in the world :)
I like that distinction. And in that sense, romantic stories are what the darn book is all about, n'est-ce-pas? (Tangent: When I was old enough to be into Miz but too young to grok Movements, my wacky English teacher gave me a mini-lecture on Romanticism and Pontmercy as representative thereof. I miss that man.)
And yes, I am still working on Blood of the Martyrs
Whee!
Unlike some people, I do research
*cough* I resemble that remark....
Instead of studying Tomahawk missiles right now, I could be reading about the June Days....
Geck. What are you studying that requires such creepy knowledge? :)
Even Les Amis. Though that has been put off until such a time as I am finished with the other two epics I have started because it requires going back to the beginning and rewriting the whole bloody thing because I cringe at the style, if style it can be called.
Heh. I feel your pain, truly. When I look at the stuff I was writing around that period... owch.
Good luck with the research. The fun kind. ;)
I was meant to have been born during the height of the Cold War so I could have gotten a job prior to defence cuts. Keeping fingers crossed that the good thing to come out of 11 September will be a job for me.
And go me, finally finished part 12! Now I can really write part 13, which will be much more fun *g*.
Heh. Granted. But there still are more than one basic plot. And for some of our fellow fen, even one plot would be an innovation. :P
Ahem. Snark mode off.
...it's definatly time for "new blood", or whatever you want to call it.
I like to call it "creativity". ;) Hell, I'd be equally happy if new arrivals started evincing talent, or if old hands just started posting new and interesting stuff. I just think the former is likelier, because a lot of old hands are burned out, at least at the moment. I know I am.
I should just resign myself to the fact that there are cycles. Sometimes you get a wave of new and brilliant people, and sometimes you get a lull where most of the new stuff is sludge. *shrug*
In all honesty, I'd like to see more non-romance related Mizfic, but I think that's too much to ask for :P
The hopelessly sentimental we have always with us. How d'you think Harlequin makes its money? ;)
Hm. I have to say that when I think of good non-romantic fic, the first people that come to mind are Amy and Elsb, and Amy, being deifically good, is low-output and Elsb seems to've mostly quit fanfic. It depends on how broad your definition is, though. (And Elizabeth's is so broad that she'd say she does write romances, so there you go...)
I agree there's not much these days that isn't at least partially romance. Then again, I prefer good romance (a la Jenelin) to bad non-romance (a la... never mind).
But there's a question: what proportion of a story has to be devoted to kissing, cooing, screwing, and/or angsting for you to consider it a romance?
Not being romantically (as in the emotional sense) inclined, my first connotation of "romance" is a story with elements that are definitely not realistic - i.e., gods and monsters and so forth. :-)
As for quitting fanfic, I sometimes get urges to finish the stories I started, but I just don't relate to the characters nearly as much anymore, so it's hard to write them. Extremism just doesn't appeal to me as much, especially in the post 9/11 world. (In fact, after 9/11, I played with writing a fanfic from the viewpoint of a National Guardsman who saw the rebels as terrorists, especially since the words "terrorism" and "terrorist" were invented to describe the French Reign of Terror and its proponents. Not to say that I think Les Amis, as Hugo conceived them, were anything like bin Laden and his followers. Just that it was possible to write them in that light.)
But anyway, to move away from the tangent - I'd say a story that is not a romance (in the generally accepted definition of the term) is one in which the primary focus is not a romantic relationship between two people. That's not to say that there can't be romances in it - only that the story isn't almost entirely about the romance. The Indiana Jones movies, for example, all have romantic relationships in them, but I'd be hard-pressed to call them romances.
Now that would be interesting. Although it would be quite likely to win you flames....
I'd say a story that is not a romance (in the generally accepted definition of the term) is one in which the primary focus is not a romantic relationship between two people.
*glances at Musichetta* Not more? ;D (Sorry, couldn't resist...)
Hell, in that case, maybe I'll do it. :-) I've always been more comfortable with flames than either unabashed praise or constructive criticism...not that I don't like the latter two a lot more. :-)
*glances at Musichetta* Not more? ;D (Sorry, couldn't resist...)
And therein lies the problem with trying to do a specific definition...
*grins* Now I'm intrigued, Elizabeth. I want to see that story.
Yeah... though again, if less of it was abysmally executed I'd be happier. :/ It's not the genres (subgenres?) that I have trouble with, so much as the ... God, I don't know. The underlying apathy. So few people seem to care enough to come up with anything new.
(Except Laura, who delights in thinking up pairings that make me go "sperk!?". But that's another matter. ;))
that's probably because it is a heck of a lot easier to write that because it takes less research
Well, yes, although see below on the research question... I don't know. I think the general quality would be greatly enhanced if people just read the novel. *cough*gorgeous!Eppie*cough* There's a great deal of material in there, both character-wise and setting-wise, if anybody paid much attention.
But I digress. Again. ;)
Hey, that'd be interesting. Really.
Speak for yourself, mam'selle. *facepalms* I don't know what plausible means over here.
Yes. But. I have something written, although it's only involved with... tertiary characters (at most), right now (hey, at least it hasn't been done before!). I'd show it to you, but it's all on loose leaf, and being in the middle of finals, I don't have time to type it up. It'll be up over the summer, and though it has little to do with anything strictly canonical, it is a Mizfic.
Otherwise, I second your entry. I need more good, thought-provoking stuff right about now.
Well, yes. I was being somewhat facetious, and it took me a while to come up with those few. But not overly long. Inventing plot is easy. Inventing coherent plot is harder, and writing it still harder. Writing it well is the bitch of it, ne?
I don't know what plausible means over here.
You reacted favorably to Caron, and you're concerned about plausible? :D
I have something written, although it's only involved with... tertiary characters (at most), right now (hey, at least it hasn't been done before!)
That's the spirit! Delve! Explore new territory!
I'm all hopeful now. :)
True to some extent. I'm sure there are fanlings who write plotless slash because they want to imagine the lads snuggling. I'm more than sure that most people who write "Eponine marries her Protagonist and lives happily ever after" do it because they identify with Eppie and goddamn it, it should be that way, not out of a spirit of exploration. Marie-Suzette, ditto.
And I write some fic just out of wish-fulfillment, or just for the aesthetic of it. Most of that is Thoughts, which I distinguish from finished stories.
Plenty of people write original fic from the same motives, though, and not all of that is romance -- or it's historical romance or futuristic romance, and sometimes those aren't researched, either. Especially when the author is still in grade school -- as is often the case with fanfic.
Myself, I do write fanfic to tell a story -- or more often, to retell a story that Victor glossed over, or to tell part of a story.
But people write fanfic for fun, and I haven't come across many people who think research is fun. So they stick with what they know, or what they can easily imagine
See, I was always particularly impressed with your stories because of the level of historical detail. But I don't think that kind of detail is indispensable, even in a fic that isn't romance. "Lieutenant Arh" comes to mind -- that wasn't long on historical or scientific detail, but it was fresh and original and good.
I'd say angst is popular because it's easier to write thoughts than action.
True. But even angst doesn't have to be plotless. Angst without any resolution is plotless. There's a difference, say, between something in which Grantaire maunders on for a page and a half about how beautiful Enjolras is, and one where that maundering leads him to decide that said blond boy isn't nearly as admirable as he thought and he's going to end this tonight. (Or that he's not, because he's a sucker, but that's been done. Heh.) Or, to move on from the slash focus-- between Eponine whinging for endless paragraphs (or, God help us, stanzas) about how she Loves Him So and he Never Even Sees, and Eponine coming to terms with her unrequited state and deciding to deliver the boy's mail regardless. Or (another popular theme) between Enjolras thinking "Oh my God what have I done we're all gonna die", and Enjolras realizing that he is in deep shit but resolving to carry on to the last. Or perishing in despair and disillusionment, if that's the author's take.
By plot I don't necessarily mean action. I mean conflict and resolution, even if the conflict is entirely inward. To me, plot means a point.
The sort of thing I'm seeing more and more of, and I suppose to some extent perpetuated with my Caronbits, is fic that is completely random-- thoughts without context and without conclusion. If the thoughts seemed to be going anywhere, I'd say the fic had some merit, but they never seem to.
And I'm digressing to some extent. This little piggy is not much of a one for organized debate. ;) Anyway, my point, inasmuch as I had one, is that I don't think it's the fault of fanfic. Or if it is, it lies in the very assumption that fanfic is exclusively about indulging one's fantasies -- which I don't think it entirely is or should be.
Anyway, something can break all the rules and still be a good story, if done well. But there's no formula for what's well done. Just some general things I've noticed.
I wouldn't say "usually"... but more often than not, yeah. Sad. :/
The thing about breaking rules is that you have to know them first in order to break them effectively... which many of the people who hang out at ff.net simply do not seem to get. And that's another rant for another day.
Dunno. I don't really care enough about fandom to concern myself one way or the other. If there's a lack of anything, it's humor, as far as I can tell. Not necessarily parodies; just silliness. A fair amount of the people who take Misfic seriously enough that they worry and argue about fandom don't even have a sense of humor, and most of the rest, with few exceptions, write angst because it's easier.
I'd adore to read something genuinely funny, which, with the exception of "Superstitions", I can't remember doing in months.
A fair amount of the people who take Misfic seriously enough that they worry and argue about fandom
I take it seriously because it's my hobby, and I like to see it done with some measure of loving care, if not skill. I worry about fandom because it's something I have fun with and therefore care about, and if I argue about issues related to fanfic, it's because I think they're important. No, the characterization of Eponine by fans doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, but paying attention to what you read does, and writing believable fiction if you're going to write fiction does. Or I think so, anyway.
And all I meant by that was that it should be something people have fun with, not something they get themselves stressed out/worked up over. If there's something wrong with that, I'm sorry.
And with that, we bounce away to kick the gloomy french general into NOT angsting too much about who is and isn't at the barricade that he knows and into blustering sagaciously at Marion Grantaire.
And I get defensive on that subject, being sick and tired of the "I wish you'd write something besides fanfic" line from my mother... >_<
Which is yet another rant.
Mmph. On a different note, if you and Laura teleport yourselves here around 4, you can come to my graduation party and give me someone to talk to under the age of 40 and over the age of 10 (not that I don't very much want to talk to those people, but tis the general principle of the thing). Please? I'll feed you....
Canna teleport, unfortunately. :( Although if you want, I can send you a delinquent R....?
*considers* Mm. Nah. But thanks anyhow. I talk to myself enough as is without scaring the guests by talking to someone else's figment.
...and that's about it. I like the pairing, but that gets really boring after a while, so I have to admit to branching out to Joly/Eagle, but there's not much of that out there. gah! Maybe I'll just write my own...now there's an idea. Now let's see if I have any time or if I can come up with anything. Perhaps I'll snitch one of your interesting scenarioes mentioned above....would you mind?